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Yanne -

What: Used Chinese dictionary 现代汉语词典 5th edition, in great condition, purchased new in
late 2006 at Y68. Have not been written or drawn in, not dog-earred. Language students' preferred
dictionary!

Why: Leaving the country, no room in luggage for big books!

Cost: Y45. Not a problem if you would like to see it first with interest to purchase. Pictures
available upon request. Self-collection at BNU or Wudaokou.

Drop me a note: yanne at operamail.com



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kaox0018 -

I know there are a few meanings to the work 藉, could someone help explain it?

I also read this in a book (passage is about editing a story):
....在原有的故事裡加些趣味的對話,藉對話增加想像力,或者是給故事一個意�
��不到的結局...

what does the 藉 mean here?



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studentyoung -

Here 藉 means “use” or “take advantage of”.

藉對話增加想像力: by taking advantage of dialogues to enhance imagination

Thanks!










againstwind -

more examples:
藉着灯光看书。
要藉用一切有用的力量。

In fact, 藉 with the meanings of 'by means of; make use of; to utilize', was an independent
character before the simplification of characters in the China Mainland. After that, it was
replaced by the character 借. In other words, in the current simplified character system, 借 has
two basic meanings:
1. to borrow; to lend
2. by means of; to utilize












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I need help translating the writing on this drawing. I have included one picture that shows part
of the writing. I have five total pictures that capture all the writing if anyone is interested in
taking a look. I think the writing is grass script from around the Tang dynasty.



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LittleShiro -

hi...
this is a question:
1. has anyone here (in china) tried to open www.megaupload.com?? it looks like that web has been
blocked. my question is anyone here know how to by pass the firewall? i.e: using proxy or
something like that?

2. im using nokia (as my mobile here but it doesnt support chinese characters. is there any
software that i can use so i can read n write chinese in my mobile?

thx in advanced



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jayz108 -

if you have firefox, try going to the firefox support/plug-ins page and download gladder...it's an
automatic proxy plug-in with firefox that allows sites like wikipedia to be explored through
proxy...

here are also a list of proxys...

http://www.publicwebproxies.com/web_...servers_1.html

still have problems with many government sites though, like the federal student loans
site...anyone know about that?










imron -

Or perhaps even try searching the forums to see if anyone else has had these problems.










roddy -

Fixed the above link, see here for linking to searches.

For an upload / download site, I'm not sure how useful free proxies are - a lot of them turn off
downloads / forms, etc.












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dynaemu -

Just wondering, what do chinese people perfer? 电信 or 网通

网通 is alot more faster in my honest opinion.. why is that? I always wondered why there was a
电信 server for stuff and a 网通 server for things..

Can someone explain this to me? Thanks



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roddy -

You don't often get a choice - tends to be Netcom in the north, Telecom in the south. There's
little overlap and set to be even less.










dynaemu -

Oh ok, cause im in the US currently and Netcom works 10x faster for me than Telecom does o.O










roddy -

I see. Generally if you are in China and have the choice of two servers, the one on the same
network as you will be faster. How it works from outside China I don't know.










dynaemu -

Am I able to make 电信 faster somehow? I wish 电信 worked faster -_- my netcom is faster here
lol.. but more people use 电信.










venture160 -

I was using 网通 and it was NOT reliable and speeds sucked. Then again I am fairly sure my
connection was a random wire the landlord fiddled with from the apartment upstairs.










dynaemu -

Well, its kind of hard to access sites using telecom in china from the US, so is there anyway to
make it faster? I tried a VPN program but it didnt help at all >_<










dynaemu -

If Netcom focuses on the North, and Telecom in the South, and signed a thing to not intrude others
"turf"... how come you can still find netcom services in the southern parts of china (hubei,
sichuan, hunan, fujian, etc)

Just wondering~










roddy -

Could be any number of reasons. I'm not sure if they're pulling out of each others territory, or
just agreed not to expand any further. Plus, given past history


Quote:


Originally Posted by 2002, Washington Post

. . . In China, with its huge market and unsettled rules, the deregulation battle is being fought
block by block, wire by wire, by workers often willing to sabotage competitors' equipment and even
attack their staffs—even though ultimately they all work for the Chinese government.


the profits to be made and the unruly nature of the grass-roots level telecoms market, it's not
hard to imagine the agreement being ignored here and there. Or everywhere.

Merging the two topics, by the way.










dynaemu -

I heard Guangdong and Shanghai use both Netcom and Telecom... but heres One last question...

Say you used Netcom in Shanghai... and you wanted to go to a netcafe in Shanghai, but it used
telecom instead.. is there a way to make it switch over to Netcom, would both speeds be the same?
or would you have to bring a laptop with you that has a netcom connection on it?

Thanks.












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chaxiu -

Hey,

champion
koan-kun 冠軍 win first prize ;
soan2-chhiu2 選手 (Not sure. Maybe, the winner of a sporting competition. )

knight
bu2-su7 武士 warrior/ knight/ samurai
chiok-su7 爵士 the rank of a knight

advocate
the5-chhiong3 提倡 advocate; encourage; recommend
chu2-tiu* 主張 advocate; stand for; maintain; hold
iong3-hoo7 擁護 protect, support

You will need to ask someone who speaks Taiwanese to put them into some sort of context....

I understand from previous posts that you are writing a comic book. Perhaps you might like to post
an example to show people what you are doing and how you use the words.

I'm really not sure, how a person can read the romanization of the Taiwanese words, if they aren't
familiar with the language or the usage of that language.

hope it helps
Chaxiu



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Mavericker -

Hi chaxiu-thank you for responding.

Thank you but I should have given more context.

How would you say "champion" in Taiwanese in the context of:

a person who fights for or defends any person or cause: a champion of the oppressed.
or
a fighter or warrior.

and "advocate" in Taiwanese in the context of:

One that argues for a cause; a supporter or defender: an advocate of civil rights.

Please let me know. Thank you.










roddy -

Merging two topics - Mavericker, can you please keep these translation requests within as few
topics as possible, and post a screenshot of your comic book.










self-taught-mba -

Tearful rotting or he will use (wow. that was such a beautiful mistake I'll have to leave that,
what it was supposed to say is: "careful Roddy or he will use") Taiwanese Hokkien slang to call
you a "punk" for calling him out as a "delinquent boy". He might just use your avatar in his
comic. watch out now!










Mavericker -

I went elsewhere and asked for Taiwanese Hokkien slang for "dragon" in the context of "brave hardy
male/warrior" and was given:

虎背熊腰
虎背熊腰的汉子

a shorter way to say those two terms-

猛汉 壮汉 精壮的汉子

壯丁, 壯男, 壯漢, 好漢, 漢子, 猛男

古惑仔
古惑仔,混混,干黑社会,在年轻人中尤为流行。


人中龍 過江龍
九紋龍 猛龍 狂龍 金龍 青龍 蟠龍 天龍 蛟龍 人中龍 過江龍 矫若游龙
健若蛟龙 蛟龙出海 猛龙 蛟龙 龙蛇

How many of these terms are Taiwanese Hokkien and how many are Taiwanese Mandarin?

I went to this place and asked for both.
Please let me know. Thank you.


Can someone please differentiate between these terms?










Mavericker -

Hello. These aren't slang questions, but I"d like some help:

Hi. I would like to know, how do you say, "advocate" in Taiwanese Hokkien?

advocate-a supporter, a person who is in favour (of)
Example: an advocate of reform

I have heard the word used in newspapers and in television in this context.

Also how do you say "minx" in Taiwanese?

minx-A girl or young woman who is considered pert, flirtatious, or impudent.

Minx is usually used in a sexual context-but I don't want the dirty context-I'd like the casual
context.

Please let me know. Thank you










roddy -

Am I the only one who really wants to see this comic book?










Mavericker -

Hello roddy-can you please help me out?










roddy -

If you show me a page from the comic book I'll let you keep posting these requests










Mavericker -

I would but I don't have a working scanner.












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billybot -

Does anyone else watch the 相声 cartoons? They tend to be on in the morning on CCTV 3. What is
the name of this program? It rules by the way.



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flameproof -

I hope one day I understand xiangsheng. Here is a CCTV3 program schedule, may help to find the
name of the show:

http://www.cctv.com/2006tv/CCTV_3/index.shtml

or better:

http://www.cctv.com/tvguide/11/01/20070308/3.shtml


...and then let me know if you can find it here: http://mp4.cctv.com










againstwind -



Quote:

What is the name of this program?

快乐驿站

you can download its video through emule.










billybot -

Cool..
I find the animation helps understand it, plus its kind of funny...

I found it on BT990.com as well...










flameproof -

I D/L one "快乐驿站". It's about 10 Minutes long and has 20-30Mb size. Haven't really seen it
yet in full, but at a first glance the language (and characters used) seem fairly easy to
understand. Despite the low Mb, subtitles are easy to read.

Conclusion: definitely worth a look!












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floressas -

hi there, i would like to get myself a cellphone with a chinese number, any suggestions where i
can buy this? i'm living in haidan and know everything is more expensive here because there are so
many foreign students, so i don't want to walk around the corner for my purchase, i wondering
about some kind of department store or whatever which can sell you phones cheap..

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billiardsmike -

A close option for hundreds of phones is Zhongguangcun. Hundreds of resellers there, but I believe
you'll want to get the sim directly from China Mobile or China Unicom. They both have shops in
Wudaukou.










Dani_man -

Hey floressas,

you can either go to Wudaokao, and choose the cheapest phone you find
among the 3 or 4 stores over there, or you can go to zhongguancun, which have numerous stores.
but, I dont think it's necessary. the prices in wudaokao are relatively good.
I bought my crappy nokia 3110 for 350 kuai, and it works just fine. even survived
the beijing winter.

you do need to watch out not to be ripped off by those who try to sell you a
"good" and "catchy" phone number for 150 kuai - it suppose to cost around 50.










roddy -

I wouldn't say Haidian is expensive because of having lots of foreign students - overall numbers
are tiny compared to the massive number of Chinese students there. You could maybe make a case for
it being true in Wudaokou, but even then I doubt it and that's a tiny part of Haidian as a whole.
Maybe do some price checking on zol.com.cn, joyo.com, taobao.com, etc, visit a few stores and see
what you can get. You could go to Hailong Dasha and its surroundings - which is what people
usually mean when they say Zhongguancun - and you might save a bit. Much more likely to get quoted
silly prices and have your sleeve tugged out of shape than you are at a local store though.










floressas -

thank you for the quick replies, guys..

anyway, i'm looking for a little more expensive phone than the nokia 3110, because my old one just
broked, so i figured out i might as well buy one here, which i can also use in europe. because i'm
buying a more expensive one, maybe it would be worth to go to this place zhongcaucun?!

about the sim card; is it possible to buy an old phone and then just get a sim card from china
mobile, or do you have to buy a phone there as well? if so, what else cards can i get?

cheers










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Quote:

about the sim card; is it possible to buy an old phone and then just get a sim card from china
mobile,

Sure. Just check it in the shop to make sure it's not SIM looked (I think phones in China aren't).
However, SIM cards with local numbers (starting with 0 - you area code) usually work only on
certain phones and should be bought in a bundle. But every 13******** number will be OK.

Just one advise, let the shop where you buy the recharge card do the recharge. It's a finger
breaking exercise....










Dani_man -

moreover, i think that if you buy the sim card and the cellphone together, you may bargain on the
price.

anyway - does anyone has an experience of using the phones in your home country?
I know that china mobile reprogram your own country cellphone to make it work - is it work the
other way too?










floressas -

but is it really possible to bargain at china mobile, don't they have fixed prices like for an
example vodafone stores?










flameproof -



Quote:

but is it really possible to bargain at china mobile,

No harm to ask. If not for financial benefit then just for language practice. Whenever I buy a
recharge card (rmb100) I ask for the price. So far it was always 100, but once they gave me card
which was 100, but had 10 or so extra.

I don't think you will get "the looks", Chinese bargain even in department stores, often
successfully. In short, you have nothing to loose.










Dani_man -

I just do remember that when I asked for a lower price in China mobile (with no shame!)
they asked whether I want to by the sim card too, and unfortunately I bought the card before, so I
donno how far they will go with you.

and fixed price - this term belongs only for the china government stores, which often have sign
says "fixed price", or the sellers recited this sentence (beijing 2008 stores). as long as you
can't see it or hear it, go for it.












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Here we come! Real trance party is in Beijing!

Trance Party @ ZUB (WuDaoKou) Thursday, February 22nd.
Party starts at 00.00. FREE ENTRANCE!!!!...Do not be late!

Here dj Osvaldo's profile:

Dj Osvaldo has been rocking Indonesia’s Drum n Bass scene since 2003 and in 2005 he was
nominated as Indonesia’s best Drum n Bass DJ by RAVELEX DANCE MUSIC AWARD 2005.And now DJ O-os
under his new guise as DJ Osvaldo has open up a new page in his DJ-ing skil and talent, derived
from his Drum n Bass background, successfully blended pumping TECHNO, melodic TRANCE and flowing
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Ian_Lee -

Atitarev:

Moreover, there is hardly any "brainwashing" against simplified script as you conceive in HK.

In fact, a lot of Mainland printing houses participate in the annual Book Exhibition held in HK.
If there is any kind of "brainwashing" against simplified script as you said, then these
publishers would not bother to participate at all!

And there is even a bookstore that specializes in selling books published in simplified script.
Moreover, many people cross border to Shenzhen just to buy books (because simplified-script books
are cheaper than traditional-script books even though they are of the same content).

Whether HK police needs to learn simplified script is up to their job requirement. As far as I
know it used to be if they can converse in any additional language or dialect, they will receive
extra pay. Back then (before '97) the police had a red color shoulder badge to show that they
could converse in English. But I bet now it is almost a prerequisite.

IMO the HK Customs officials should know simplified script since they have more chance to get into
touch with Made in China products which may have simplified script labels.



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Quote:

Ian_Lee wrote: But how do you define "modern Chinese"?

This thread has clearly illustrated that there can be as many as three different types of
so-called modern Chinese, as exemplified by that of Mainland China, Taiwan and Hong Kong - subtle
as the differences may be.

My best answer to this, and one that can blanket all three of the above into the same general
category of modern Chinese, would be:
1. The 白話文 modern vernacular style of writing based on (but not exclusively) the vocabulary
and grammar of the Northern dialect
2. That which also includes the vernacular writings of the previous centuries, e.g. 紅樓夢,
西遊記, 三國演義 and 水滸傳
3. That had its origins in the Council of 1917, which was adopted as the national written language
to supplant文言文 Classical Chinese.

Of course, there will inevitably be minor divergences over the past century, with influences from
local usage, but the general model is common.










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Quote:

gato wrote: I doubt HKer and Taiwanese find it hard to read modern Chinese.

For native Cantonese speakers from Hong Kong, I will need to seek the expert opinion of a Hong
Kong resident who has been educated under that system (Ian Lee, perhaps? ):

Do you find a 'gap' between learning a written language that is based on a grammar (and to a
smaller extent, vocabulary), i.e. Mandarin (if one may correctly call it that), that is different
from the spoken language, i.e. Cantonese? If so, are Hong Kong-ers in general consciously aware of
that gap, and how do they reconcile it? In particular, 'speech words' such as 吧, 呢 are
peculiar to Mandarin speech, and alien to the Cantonese dialect - do Hong Kong-ers find it 'weird'
to use them in writing, and are they often consciously aware of it?

I suppose the phenomenon would not be unlike that of pre-modern China, where all Classical Chinese
texts were read exclusively using the pronunciation of the local dialect. (the only difference
being, Classical Chinese stands on more 'neutral' ground than Mandarin. ). I personally am a
proponent for the revival of Classical Chinese as the true model for good Chinese language
writing... but that's a different story, which I have written at lengths in another thread
elsewhere!

Given that Mandarin is more widely used in Taiwan than Hong Kong, I would imagine that this is
less of a problem. Any comments?












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DrZero -

I'm almost afraid to post this because I know I am in the minority, but what do you guys think
about learning with no characters, only pinyin? It's what I do, because I have a Chinese wife and
thus lots of reasons/opportunities to learn spoken language, but not much use for characters in
everyday life.
To me characters seem like they would take time away from listening and speaking (though I do know
a limited number of them). I know there is an advantage in being able to read and learn new
phrases and structures from written text, but I am just not sure it's worth the investment of time
yet because I hear Mandarin constantly at home. So far I feel like the approach is working for my
needs.
In other words, I am well aware that they confer an advantage, I am just not sure that the degree
of advantage merits the time investment vs. learning by ear and with pinyin, for my needs
personally.
What do you think?



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Shadowdh -

To be honest I believe that characters add a whole dimension of understanding and its pretty cool
to know them too... but for your situation it might be ok (and easier) to not learn them... if you
dont have a need then why do it...?? the only hurdle (that might not eventuate) would be if a word
sounded the same as another... then characters can come in handy, but then again you can usually
work it out...










jkmuller -

It's not really so much that knowing characters gives you an advantage, but that you cant read or
write Chinese without them! I don't think many Chinese people write in pinyin. I have actually
noticed that many Chinese American people know how to speak Chinese fluently, but can't write more
than a few characters. They generally end up in beginner Chinese classes in college.

Essentially, if you're comfortable with the idea of not being able to read or write, you might be
able to get away with it. Just realize that these are pretty essential parts to any language. From
what you've said about your situation it seems like you can probably do pretty well without the
characters, but you can always change your mind down the road anyway.










doumeizhen -

I agree. There are lots of people, including Chinese ones, who can speak and not write. It does
help to know the characters because there are so many words that sound alike, but honestly, if you
can speak well enough to understand and explain the difference (should these words come up in
conversation), then you are fine. Plus, the more I learn I find that a lot of words that sound the
same oftentimes are quite different, some colloquial some bookish, so I think the chace of this
becoming an actual stumbling block is next to nothing. If you are happy with your level and
willing to give up 'the other dimension" that Chinese adds, then don't fret it. Maybe just learn a
little so you can get around and point adn read with your future children.










YuehanHao -

DrZero,

For not completely disinterested reasons, I once considered a similar question myself.

I believe for any language both the spoken and written parts stand on their own; clearly literacy
is not necessary for fluency, and so too can some scholars read languages they cannot speak.
Homophones or other difficulties do not impact this decision, since good speakers will provide the
context that is necessary for understanding.

So I would suggest your choice is basically personal subjective preference. I feel that with
Chinese, perhaps moreso than other languages, significant insight into cultural history can be
gleaned by studying the written language (i.e., characters). While a lot of work must go into
memorizing, some of it will pay you back later, since the visual memory of a character can help
one remember how it might be pronounced and its meaning (these items can be encoded in the
character). So I would suggest it is a cost-benefit that only you can decide.

Another thing to keep in mind is that learning characters may not be a black and white enterprise.
For instance, in my experience, recognizing characters from memory is much easier than writing
them out by hand. So with this approach, after learning the pinyin, I could without too much
exertion, type my Chinese "homework" into the computer with an IME and, through the computer,
convert them to the corresponding characters. I found that to be a good first step for me.

约翰好！










taaba -

I personally think being able to read Hanzi adds a new dimension into the whole learning process
as well as enabling you to go your way and do your own thing with the newly acquired skills
(Reading and writing hanzi), but as our friend mentioned literacy is not necessary for fluency.










fundingd -

I would also have to say that you should take the time to learn how to read the characters. Like
YuehanHao said, if you can read then you should be able to type or send SMS by using pinyin and
selecting the correct character. It is much easier to learn to read in Chinese than it is to
write. Another reason to learn the characters is that pinyin will only get you so far. Chinese has
a lot of homophones and without knowing the characters you will greatly limit your understanding
of the language and limit yourself to only communicating simple ideas.

In the end, it really comes down to how proficient you wish to be in Chinese. But by simply
learning to recognize and read the characters, you will greatly increase your ability to
communicate in Chinese and develop more of an appreciation and understanding of the language.










laowai1980 -

That's one of the issues I am concerned about too. At the beginning I was thinking I should learn
both, but now I switched to listening/speaking mostly, I might get back to characters at a later
point, but now I feel characters will take away fun of learning chinese for me, so I skip them for
now. I think it's still a good idea to learn a few hundred most common characters even if you
don't plan to have enough literacy to read newspapers. That should help a lot, but what do I know!










Koneko -

Don't worry you are not alone!
There are tons of Chinese in Malaysia and Singapore who can only speak Chinese but cannot write or
read Chinese.

We nickname them 香蕉人 (lit. Banana man)
Have you heard of this term?

K.










YuehanHao -

Koneko,

That is too funny! 哈哈哈哈！So it looks like DrZero really needn't worry about learning
characters after all, as long as he doesn't mind the possibility of earning a nickname like
"banana man!" Sorry if I am getting that wrong!

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hello, i'm newbie..sorry can someone help me..there is a movie which the song is "mama hao"
What i wanna know is :
1. The movie title in english.
2. where i can get it with an english subtitle or maybe indonesian subtitle.

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Ardison -

I think it's not easy to seek a movie without name.
From your clue the movie should be 妈妈再爱我一次, because the
song《世上只有妈妈好》came from that movie.
The poster:
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ReBoYal -

Do they sing this song?

http://www.babyjellybeans.com/web/do...photo?ID=47218












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I have 学校的集市 but have doubts.. any suggestions for this... cheers



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Quest -

What kind of school fair? 联欢会 is one，游园会 is another. You can also use ～节，
~活动，～展。










Shadowdh -

like a fete, not a special celebration or anything but a way to raise money... thanks for the
tips...










Koneko -

You may consider 款待, 招待会, etc












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Ner'zhul -

A native way to say "rude" could be "素质差，不上路子".
For "nasty" you could say "撩人" as you described in your sentence which basically means "that
girl is quite seductive".



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adrianlondon -

I don't think there's anything wrong with taoyan. Just don't say it in a girly voice! ;)










roddy -

Yeah, taoyan has an understandable reputation as being a 'girlish' word to use, but you hear men
use it plenty - just make sure you keep your voice at normal pitch, don't stamp your foot, and
don't demand to be taken shopping afterwards. And no pouting. And keep usage below the
once-a-minute mark










adrianlondon -

I really should video one of these regular "spoilt chinese girl throws a strop and demands to be
taken shopping" arguments that I see so regularly here.










spaceboy -

贱货(offensive words)
especially describe those street-girl(To offer (oneself or another) for sexual hire..)

if someone insults you for no reason,you can say "野蛮人Hun　/　没教养underbred的东西".










boilingsnow -

I think 龌龊 would be the best translation for nasty.

太龌龊了！

Nasty！










bhchao -

"不三不四" can also be used to describe someone who is improper in nature or shady in
character.










buanryoh -

How about 刺眼 for nasty in this context?












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Koneko -

It's quite interesting to know that London is also known as "City of Fog" in Chinese.

I also know the followings:-

Paris = City of Flowers
Taiwan = Treasure Island
Hong Kong = Pearl of the Orient
Macao = Las Vegas of the Orient
Singapore = Lion City
Malaysia = Giant Horse?

I am hoping to compile a list of alternative Country/ City names in Chinese.
Please help me to expand this list if you know your country's / city's nicknames in Chinese.

Thanks!



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doumeizhen -

周庄 （Zhouzhuang, outside of Shanghai) - The Venice of the East

According to their tourism board.










michfr -

Old Gold Hill: San Francisco










Jizzosh -

Las Vegas, is most commonly referred to as (I can't write the characters on my work PC):
Du3cheng2, or Gambling city.










Ardison -

chénɡ du = xiū xián zhī dōu = City of Pleasure
成 都 = 休 闲 之 都


chónɡ qìnɡ = shān chénɡ = City of Mountains
重 庆 = 山 城


lú zhōu = zhōnɡ ɡuó jiǔ chénɡ = China Wine City
泸 州 = 中 国 酒 城


yí bīn = wàn lǐ chánɡ jiānɡ dì yì chénɡ = First City of Yangzi River
宜 宾 = 万 里 长 江 第 一 城










Koneko -

I think, Sydney is known as "Snowy Pear" in Taiwanese Chinese!!










Prodigal Son -



Quote:

It's quite interesting to know that London is also known as "City of Fog" in Chinese.

how do you say this in Chinese? the only way I know how to say London is 伦敦










skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

how do you say this in Chinese? the only way I know how to say London is 伦敦


霧都 (wu4 du1)










Paolo -

I am from Treviso, a town near Venice (the real Italian one of course)... so, when in China, I
always get sick at people telling me that I am from 水城 or "The City of Water" and asking if I
had a boat instead of a car!










adrianlondon -

Nearly every chinese guy I've met who hasn't been abroad (that's most of 'em) ask "oh, London has
lots of fog! Worse than Beijing, right?". I point out that London's fog problem was sorted out in
the 60's and was due only to coal heating, so didn't really have the nasty pollutants that
Beijing's smog has.

I can only assume that their national curriculum (should such a thing exist) has "Oh my golly
gosh, London is awfully foggy again, what ho!" in their English Language book somewhere.












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wrbt -

I've never used New Text but you can buy audio on tape here:

http://www.cheng-tsui.com/product.cf...033T2&p=68&c=0

Slight pain factor hooking up a boom box to a PC and running VLC to convert 'em to MP3 but since
you've got the book might be worth it.



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koreth -

Unfortunately, that's the other book of the same name -- the one I have is from Beijing University
Press, not Cheng & Tsui.

This is the one I have. (And it's a pretty good book, too; I got it because it's one of the
textbooks for Stanford University's second-year summer intensive Chinese course, which I was
considering taking.)










wrbt -

That's interesting. They even mention your book in the description of the other one.

I think I'm in similar stage as you man, trying to absorb enough intermediate level structured
materials to make the final push/jump into being able to effectively learn from authentic
materials.

Good luck.










kudra -

The two books "A New Text for a Modern China" are both by the same authors, except the one from
Beijing Univ. has an additional author. Based on the link, the BJ Univ. pub. has only simplified,
while the CT pub version has both trad and simp, as I can verify from my copy (not used much yet.)

I didn't know that the CT version had audio.










SteveK -

The launching of the new LingQ system has been delayed for one major reason. We tried to produce
an off line "client" version and we gave up after one year spent on the project. We just could not
make it easy enough, pleasant enough and light enough on people's computers. Since January we have
been developing our browser version. The input components which have to do with Listening,
Reading, Learning Vocabulary, and all related issues have essentially been dealt with. This
includes managing content, sorting content by difficulty, by words unknown to each learner, by
other factors relevant to each learner. In addition functions which govern words saved by each
learner such as Flash Cards, prioritizing words to learn, tagging and creating specialized lists,
tying multiple phrase examples to saved words etc. have all essentially been dealt with.

We have opened up this "input" area of LingQ to our existing The Linguist members. We will add our
new Pronunciation, Writing, Speaking and Event scheduling sections in the next few weeks.

Offering other languages is a smaller issue. At present we are targetting our existing members who
are learning English. We want to sort through all problems and refinements with them first.

We are using the system in house for French, German, Russian, Japanese and Swedish. There are no
problems. We do not anticipate any great delay in introducing Mandarin.

We expect that much of our content in Mandarin will be created or found for us by our learners,
especially those whose mother tongue is Chinese. So my best guess is July 1 for Mandarin with
limited content and by the fall I think we will have a lot of content at different levels of
difficulty and on a variety of interesting subjects.










L-F-J -

patiently anticipating.

thanks for all the hard work to help others!










wenhailin -

hi steve, really looking forward to the launch of the lingQ system, just got a question about what
you said earlier.

"4) Use the squared exercise paper that Chinese school children use (or used to use). Write one
character 10 times down the first column on the left and then write the translation or
pronunciation in pinyin three columns to the right. Then start another character and do the same.
Soon you will run into the first character and you will write it again 5 times and put it 3
columns to the right etc."

could you show us (me) what this looks like, because i'm not quite understanding - you only write
the pronunciation / translation for the character the first time right? in which case you would
then still have nine empty spaces below. do you then write the second character right below the
first box in which you've written the pronunctiation for the first character?

also, i've been looking for some good audio + transcript sites, without english, and so far i've
found the chinese voices project quite useful - http://www.clavisinica.com/CVP/voices.html

i'm still looking for more, anyone else got some good sites with transcripts?










Long Pan -

I definitely like this guy. Here is his book. This .doc is a cut / paste of chapters 15 to 29
about his learning of Chinese + Japanese.










thph2006 -

Hey, Here's something to think about. American women find men with foreign accents sexy. If
Chinese women are anything at all like American women why would any foreign guy want to completely
erase his accent?










roddy -

Bizarre idea, but have you considered the possibility that some foreign women may also be learning
Chinese?












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imron -



Quote:

have it say something like my children our my everything or my great fortune, or something along
that line. (ok If i were to guess I would say 我子女我一切or我子女我幸福) I think that
there must be a good way in Chinese to say this, (maybe a Chinese speaker can add something here),
plus then it will carry along the meaning along with it, other than it just saying the word 'son'
or 'daughter', or their names' pronunciation translated into chinese characters.

yes, this is a much better idea..



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imitation -

Arabic will be much cooler than Chinese in a few years try finding something in that to get
tatooed. Or use Korean atleast it's a phonetic language.










lordoftheweb -

hi all. thank you so much for the information and ideas. im really set on chinese lettering (i
just find it so much more beautiful than others) and i have a fascination with chinese culture and
lifestyles. i already have a chinese dragon on my arm, so i was thinking about putting my new
tattoos along side of them, sort of like having the dragon protect them. ill keep looking at
examples and ideas.

one idea that i had was tattoo the verse "always in my heart" above their names. any idea how that
looks?

anyways, youve all been great thus far, and i hope you can help me along with this. ill try and
post the characters that i already have.

have a great day!










lordoftheweb -

Well its been awhile, but I did end up doing this last January. I have a new daughter now and
would like to add her name. Can anyone translate it for me as best as can be done?

Her name is:

Maya

Thank you all!










imron -

Out of curiosity, what did you end up getting tattooed?










Lu -

瑪雅 or 瑪亞, I think the first is better.










here2learn -

I want to know too! I like watching these tattoo threads.

You still there?














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bogleg -

Yeah, that's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure. =)

Sorry to say though, that a mobile type version of the ZDT is probably not going to happen in the
near future. (unless someone else wants to do it) I have been wanted to get more familiar with the
Eclipse embedded RCP project, but I really don't have the time at the moment.

Anyway, everyone already has PlecoDict right? Not free of course, but worth the money. =)

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maybe i will get the pleco-dict too. does that require the CKJOS?












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djwebb2004 -

I wanted to tell people about the book I am reading. It is by 易中天, who people probably know
is currently very popular in China. He is a professor at Xiamen University whose TV shows and
books are lapped up, and every street corner, in Kunming anyway, is selling his books. One is
called 闲话中国人 (gossiping about, or informally discussing, Chinese people). He explains in
the preface that his aim is to create a new type of academic work, one that is academically
robust, not dumbed down, but written in colloquial Chinese, almost like a conversation, not in
stuffy academic language. So the book itself is very chatty in style. There are 9 chapters on
every aspect of Chinese culture, incl food and drink clothes, love, friendship, "face", the work
unit, the family etc. He is aiming to explain, not just what Chinese culture is, but why and how
it developed the way it did.



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wushijiao -

I have his 品三国前传：之汉代风云人物, which is about the Han dynasty. One of the
many books I’ve started but haven’t finished yet.

It’s really incredible how big he is on the Mainland right now.










djwebb2004 -

I want to give an update on this. Although in the preface he says he will have a chatty style, it
turns out that Yi Zhongtian's books are rather difficult to read even for Chinese people!! My
chinese friends say he likes to "摆样子" and that is why. There are about 30 chengyu per page,
and many discussions of historical stories and lines from poems etc. And there are even his own
concocted sentences in wenyanwen ending in "ye". I am embarrassed to say that say I generally look
up 30 words per page for this book ,and 60 is not unknown either. I am one third of the way in the
book owing to my laziness. But some of the chengyu are absolutely great.

Kick the bucket 一命呜呼
A piece of cake 小菜一叠

Anyway, this is the hardeest book in modern Chinese I have seen...










xianu -

sounds like it could be an interesting or at least linguistically helpful read. Anyone know where
to get it in the states?










xianu -

BTW, I just looked him up at Nanhai in california, and found that there will be an event, I guess
with him speaking at the San Mateo Marriot on April 22. http://nanhai.com/store//product348.html










gato -



Quote:

Anyone know where to get it in the states?

joyo.com and dangdang.com both ship to the U.S., I think. I've personally only had delivery from
joyo.com. The shipping probably costs more than the books, but since the books are at PRC prices
-- very, very cheap, that is -- it's worth it.










roddy -

Picked this up over the weekend as I was in a bookshop, didn't really know what to buy, and
recognized it as having been mentioned on here so I figured even if I hated it I could come on
here and say so.

Didn't get very far into it, but I agree that it isn't the easiest to read. There are lots of
references to historical stories / events, and they really are just references, not descriptions.
Which means if you don't know them already, they're just going to leave you wondering. Needless to
say, I don't know them already. Also, the chapter on food, and I suspect the entire book, has lots
of 'Western people blah blah blah, while Chinese people blah blah blah' stuff, which generally
appears to be nonsense. I can't remember anything from inside the book, but the back cover claims
that Chinese people are more suited to using chopsticks as they are introverted, and Westerners
knives and forks as they are extroverted, and that seems to set the tone somewhat.

That said, I'm not very far in, so maybe I'm judging to early. Not sure I'll get much further
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In the beginner's song "Hey girl, look at me" I'm getting

左看右看 translated as look right, look left. I presume that's a mistake.

and just above,

逗我乐开怀 gets translated as one thing (make me pleased) - again, is this correct? using a
dictionary I get something like "make fun of me as much as you like".

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左看右看 --> left, right... (error in original).

逗 --> means (playfully) tease, amuse, humour as a verb
逗 --> means funny as an adjective (他很逗).

A really literal translation might be: "amuse me so that my bosom fills with happiness". 逗
implies friendly joking and doesn't come with the negative connotations of something like 嘲笑.
So your translation is fine too -- as long as you don't mean anything 不好意思 by "make fun
of".












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jon3060103 -

Hi all,

I am planning to enrol for the Spring 2007 Semester program at Beida University.

Does anyone have any advice with the application process? For example, was it a simple process?
How long until you receive confirmation of enrolment?

It would be good to get in touch with people who are also applying for the Spring 2007 program!

Look forward to hearing from you.

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zarathustra -

Hi Jonathan,

I'm planning on applying very soon. I was thinking of BLCU or BNU but would probably prefer BeiDa
since I'd like to attend grad school there.

I'm still reading thru all the posts here about BeiDa. Have you found out anything yet? I'm not
sure what's the deadline or how everything goes. maybe some people who've gone to BeiDa before can
help out.










AnnaYa -

Hi
I`m going to Beijing spring 2007, but still can`t decide between BLCU and BeiDa
i know that it`s not too much time for application left, but still...That`s my first time to
China, so honestly afraid of being alone foreign student...
Can you help-where can i find more foreign students (i mean european, american) in BLCU or BeiDa?










jon3060103 -

Hi all,

I have found the process of applying quite difficult.

Appying to Beida requires someone to pay an application fee of 400 yuan IN CASH! Plus, a guarantor
who is a permanent resident of Beijing.

It took me ages to find someone who could help me, but by the time my application was to be
submitted AT the office, they told me all the places had already been filled!

This is absolutely incredible, because the lady I contacted sent me an email, telling me that
applications opened 1 November 2006 and today is only 9th November!

As such, it looks like I will have to apply to BLCU for the semester course.

Let me know if you need any info, but I am quite disappointed with missing out.

Cheers,

Jonathan










zarathustra -

From what I've heard (reading many many posts), BLCU, and PKU are the way to go. There are more
Europeans at BLCU. at BeiDa, there's a greater chance of a lower quality education (with grad
students teaching who probably do it to save on tuition).

There's one more school that's even better but ~3x the price.










imron -

Where does it mention that you need a guarantor who is a permanent resident of Beijing?

On the application form it mentions that the guarantor can be any Chinese person/organisation.
Also, I think Beida has screwed up a bit on this form, as guarantor is perhaps not the best
English word to use. To me this implies someone providing some sort of financial guarantee,
however the Chinese explanation of section 8 states that this person is just a person/organisation
in China that the university can contact in emergency situations. Unfortunately, the English
translation for this section doesn't make this very clear.

When I applied to study at Beida (back in 2002), my guarantor was a friend of mine from Hebei, and
I didn't have any troubles. Looking at the current application form, it doesn't appear to have
changed since then.










toygirl -

I'm in the application process for BLCU, but now i'm stuck trying to figure out how and what kind
of visa to get. does anybody know? it says on the china-us embassy site that i have to have
someone go in person to take in my paperwork?










imron -

I believe that in the US you either have to go to the embassy personally, or have someone take it
in for you. There are visa agents who will do this if you live miles away from an
embassy/consulate.

As for which visa to get, you don't need to worry about that. You don't specify the type of visa
you are applying for on the application form (downloadable here). You just need to submit the
appropriate documentation (JW201/JW202 + acceptance letter) which BLCU should send you once you've
been accepted. On your visa application form you then just state that you will be going to China
for study.

The embassy will then determine which visa is most appropriate for you. Generally if you are
studying for 6 months or less it will be an F visa, and if you are studying for more than that
then it will be an X visa.










adrianlondon -

Search for all the previous threads comparing places in Beijing.

I'm at BNU (Beishida) and still would recommend it over BLCU. However, that could be because (for
reasons unknown) us BNU'ers are quite vocal on this forum whereas the BLCU'ers keep their opinions
of the place to themselves

You'll meet loads of foreigners at BLCU. You'll meet enough at BNU too as they'll be your
classmates and - if you live on campus - your flatmates and neighbours.

As for application forms : I learnt the hard way that you need to answer every question by
providing exactly what they want to hear. You can make it all up (ie oh yes, I know Mr Chen in
Beijing very well and he'll be my guarantor) if need be; don't leave any boxes blank. It confuses
their communist-trained red-tape loving minds. To be fair, it'd be the same applying to a
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