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extrapages -
PLEASE READ THIS FIRST and SEARCH THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING!
I've REORGANIZED everything and laid it out on this first post - I want to thank everyone who's
participated in this thread so far. They all threw in their two cents and made it possible to have
all this information in one place. I also would like to thank people who will post in the future
and help me update and add to this post. - and I'm sure that it's not perfect, but I hope it helps
lots of people get the CSC scholarship and make their way over to China. Once you make it out
here, give me call if you end up in Beijing. =]
Please READ THIS FIRST. I spend a lot of energy on this thread, and I really don't appreciate
people who are going to waste my time asking me questions already answered here.
LAST UPDATED: May 6, 2008
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Personally, I have experience that applies only to American citizens. However, there are number of
people here that have applied and received the CSC scholarship from many different countries. (For
EU applications, look towards the bottom.) I recommend that you post your experiences so far and
ask/encourage anyone else who has applied or is applying from your country to also post their
experiences. Also, this is a thread generally for the CSC Chinese Government scholarship for those
learning Chinese (not the scholarships for the Chinese Culture Research Fellowship, Teachers of
Chinese Language, Distinguished International Student, etc.).
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I'll start with some basic information:
The (brand new) CSC website: http://csc.edu.cn/
However, it's only available in Chinese. It seems like they are working on a new English version
as well... but until then, we have access to the old English site, which can be found here:
http://www.csc.edu.cn:8080/en/
(Someone please contact me when this link no longer works, and a new English site replaces it.)
And here is where you download the applications (for now): (thank you, roddy! <3)
http://csc.edu.cn/Lianhua/Default.aspx?cid=26 - applications download page
http://csc.edu.cn/Lianhua/ecbb614863...8ec3355f.shtml - csc application download page
Normally, applicants are to apply though a partner/joint program of CSC. From what I remember,
they were almost all university programs that have China study abroad programs. I did a Google
search for "CSC joint scholarship program" once and two of the few listings I got for the US (just
so you can get an idea) were CSC-Georgetown University Fellowship Program and UMich-China
Scholarship Council Agreement. There has also been news that some Confucius Institutes have become
partners and will handle CSC applications for their students. Having a joint program to apply
though is the easiest and fastest method.
But most people in general and almost all of those in this forum are not part of any partner
organization or program and do not have the luxury of being able to apply through them - it is for
these individuals that this forum exists.
For those in the States - there's word that you an apply through your local embassy as your "joint
program." However, we've already discovered that there are still many embassies that are unaware
of the scholarship and wouldn't know what to do or who to forward you to if you asked about it. I
recommend people to first contact their local state/city embassy and follow their directions as
EACH embassy would have it's own deadlines and rules. (a special thank you shout out to jawshoowa).
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Eligibility and basic information can be found here (for now):
http://www.csc.edu.cn:8080/en/readar...?articleid=572
And although I can't find where it's written, I definitely remember reading somewhere or being
told that you are NOT eligible if you are ALREADY in China. I have yet to hear of ANYONE already
in China who applied and got the scholarship.
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When you call CSC and ask for someone who can speak English... don't be surprised if they put you
on hold for a long time before you realize that you've been hung up on... and don't be surprised
if it keeps happening over and over and over again. Once you get through, they know very little
anyway. Spend your time and energy on finding the right contact within the Chinese embassy of your
country.
Yes, that is what I said - Individual applicants must apply to the Chinese embassy of the country
of their CITIZENSHIP, regardless of their current locations. For example, If you are an American
in, say, Europe or Asia somewhere, you have to apply to a Chinese embassy in the States (either in
your home state/city or in Washington,D.C.). If you are an Indonesian citizen in America, you need
you apply to the Chinese embassy in Indonesia. You do NOT apply at the embassy of your citizenship
of whatever country you may currently be in. This is for a two main reasons:
1. This is a Chinese scholarship run by the Chinese Scholarship Council under China's Ministry of
Education. Non-Chinese embassies will not know anything about it or even know of it's existence.
It's like going to the shoe store to buy books; it doesn't make any sense.
2. Each country has it's own contract with the CSC - and these contracts are very different. Some
countries' citizens get their airfares covered, others' do not. Some countries can send more
students - others, only a handful. And each country's Chinese embassy will ONLY deal with the
citizens of whatever country it is in.
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None of us know the chances of getting a full/partial scholarship. All we know so far is that no
one has applied for the partial scholarship, and no one has yet been rejected from a full one. We
also don't know if you are automatically eligible for the partial scholarship if you don't get the
full. The same goes for the amount of time you apply for: 1 or 2 years. I applied for the full 2
year scholarship - and that's the one I got. And except for the scholarships awarded to those in
EU, we don't even know how many scholarships there are to be given out.
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The CSC Application:
1. FILL IN ALL PARTS OF THE APPLICATION. LEAVE OUT NO SECTIONS!
2. STAY ON THE SAFE SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO MATERIALS/DOCUMENTS.
3. RECOMMENDING ORGANIZATION/PERSON
List an organization (or a person with a high position within one - president, dean, CEO, etc.).
The easiest would be your university (any school or educational institution) or company of
employment. As long as it's non-regilious and non-political, you should be fine. Have someone from
the "organization" write you a letter of recommendation on paper with the letterhead with a formal
heading. This recommendation doesn't necessarily need to be academic - it just needs to talk about
how you're a generally good person who would do well in China.
4. LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION
The application asks for two letters of recommendation. Be safe and include a third, if possible.
One of them will be from your organization/person that is recommending you (see above). Another
should be a personal recommendation that praises your character. The third should be an academic
one from a current or past teacher/professor. If you're no longer in school - one from a boss or
colleague on your work ethic, etc. should be good.
5. ADMISSION LETTER (More on this all the way by the bottom.)
Only attach one if you already applied to the school of your choice and received the admission
notice. If you didn't apply, just fill in your top three choices in the CSC application, and they
will choose and register for you.
6. TRANSCRIPTS/DIPLOMAS
Do not send your original diploma. That is not what they want. You only need to send an official
copy (or notarized copy of the original). The same goes for your transcript - and an unofficial
transcript is fine - which means you can just get a copy from your school and not be required to
have them send it directly to CSC).
7. PHYSICAL EXAM
You MUST complete the physical exam when you apply - because the CSC will also take care of part
of your visa process - which requires the physical exam. If you don't send it, you could get the
scholarship and then be disqualified because you didn't send all the required information - making
it impossible for them to help you with the visa - in which case, I honestly believe that they'll
just dump your application. (THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO EU APPLICATIONS.)
You can get it filled out by your family doctor, internist, or a doctor from a clinic. It usually
takes no more than 20 minutes. You don't need a "seal," as stated - the signature of the doctor
and a stamp with the doctor's name and address and contact information of the hospital/clinic is
fine. Those are done automatically anyway.
NEVER send the ORIGINAL Foreign Physical Examination Form with either the CSC application or your
visa application. Send notarized copies. You need to keep the ORIGINAL with you - treat it like
your passport.
8. STUDY PLAN
Without that study plan, you wont get the scholarship. It's an important part of your package and
your application would be incomplete without it.
It's basically a proposal/personal statement introducing yourself and explaining why you want to
learn Chinese. You should write about why you think learning Chinese is important, why you think
learning Chinese in China is important, and how you hope to use your new knowledge in the future.
Talking about Chinese culture and how China's becoming a major world power wouldn't hurt either.
Write as much as you can - the CSC application requires NO LESS THAN 200 words. I remember writing
a freaking book basically on why and how I'm so awesome, why all the goals/intentions of study I
have are so awesome, and why the Chinese government would become infinitely more awesome than it
already is by giving me the scholarship.
9. COPIES (another shout out to jawshoowa)
You don't need everything to be a notarized copy. The only things that need to be notarized are
documents that have only one original copy - like your diploma and the physical exam form. For
things like transcripts and letters of recommendation, for which there can be multiple originals,
just send multiple original copies. Make sure each copy of the letter of recommendation is
hand-signed by the recommender and that you get two unofficial copies of your transcript from your
school... The application form and study plan can just be regular photocopies. This will save you
a LOT of money, as notarization is expensive and can cost about $10 USD a page. For those who need
more information on getting notarized copies, please search this thread or jump to page 12.
10. Some loose ends:
- FILL OUT EVERY POSSIBLE PORTION OF THE APPLICATION!
- You are applying as a Chinese language student (not undergraduate, general scholar, etc.).
- You do not need any prior experience or education in Chinese to apply.
- None of us really know how this works - and we've all come to the conclusion that the embassies
don't really know either... and even the CSC people themselves don't seem to know. There isn't
really one specific thing or another that will screw up everything or make it a sure win. Just
follow the directions and stay on the safe side. Tons of people have gotten the scholarship
without applying through a joint CSC organization, and no one knows what was done wrong or right.
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APPLYING TO THE SCHOOL - Does it make a difference?
Attaching an admissions letter is not mandatory. Just listing your top choices on the scholarship
application is fine. If you get the scholarship, CSC will apply and register to the school chosen
for you. The chosen school will most likely be your first choice.
Although the application states that you might have a better chance if you apply beforehand, get
accepted, and send in your letter of admittance - we have no proof of this. Most people I know did
NOT send letters of admittance and they all got the scholarship.
Even though they encourage applicants to apply to their school of choice independently, I,
personally, HIGHLY recommend that you DO NOT apply yourself because it could potentially cause a
lot of confusion - and you will DEFINITELY end up having been registered twice at the school of
your choice (once by yourself and again by CSC), and you'll have to straighten it all out by
proving that they are both you and that you want to nullify the one YOU did - because only the one
that the CSC created can be used if you want to receive the scholarship. Save yourself the trouble
and just let them do it for you. =]
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CHOOSING A SCHOOL
This is not a post about comparing schools or getting advice on choosing a school. There are many
existing and very informative threads that you can search through at . Please be
aware that all posts regarding this subject will be removed.
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DEADLINES/DATES
Deadlines are different depending on country/region, but everyone is notified around the same time
towards the end of May/beginning of June.
- USA Deadline - April 30 (If you are applying through a joint-program or your local Chinese
embassy, the deadline will be EARLIER (about two weeks) because they also are subject to this
deadline.)
- EU Deadline - March 30
- Those who know of definite deadlines of other countries (or if this information isn't entirely
correct), please PM me.
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AFTER YOU GET THE CSC SCHOLARSHIP:
Soon after you are notified that you got the scholarship, CSC will send you a package filled with
information on the school, an admission letter from that school, a letter reminding you that you
must register at the school between certain dates, and the Visa Application Form for Study in
China (JW201) already filled out by CSC. All you need to do is get the visa, book your flight, and
come to China.
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AFTER YOU GET TO CHINA:
Your school most probably has an airport pick-up service for new students. You'll have to find
that out yourself. Once you get to school, registration should be super easy after you make it
known that you are scholarship student. The system set up at the majority of the schools for CSC
scholarship winners works - and it works well.
TUITION/STIPEND
The CSC must have some in-house, direct system set up with their universities because the schools
know who the scholarship students are - and they are never asked to pay any kind of dorm, tuition,
or book fees... EVER. You can live like they don't really exist. They even register for you every
semester for how long you're covered under the scholarship. The only thing that I could think of
that I needed to pay for was the housing deposit which was like 200 RMB - and I got that back when
I moved out.
The monthly stipend works differently in each school - Qcash3 wrote about how he got an ATM card
for an account they set up for him with money deposited into it towards the end of each month -
although he never knows exactly when to expect it. I go to the International Students' office on
the 28th of each month and get my stipend in cold, hard cash after I sign my name on the CSC
Scholarship stipend list.
You don't have to worry about any of the bills yourself - they take care of all of it for you. You
just deal with the stipend money they give you - and you spend that however you want - but it is
definitely NOT enough to live a happy life in Beijing. You'll want to come with a bunch of saved
cash or another source of income - even if it's small, it'll be enough here because a dollar goes
a longggg way.
The stipend is 1100 RMB a month, and a normal person will blow that in about a week or so eating
out, exploring the city, buying daily necessities, partying - but it is POSSIBLE to live off just
that if you just stay home and study, eat at the cafeteria, and have no life. You'll definitely
need and want more than just the stipend - but it does help. So make sure you either have people
back at home to send you cash or you find a part-time job. Honestly, having a job while trying to
study sucks, but it helps you get out there and be exposed to more of the real, daily China.
You will also get an extra 600RMB when you first arrive to China - and for the months before
break/holiday, you will get your stipend for both that month's and the month that school is out.
Summer breaks are not included, to my knowledge. I might be wrong about that one.
HOUSING
The housing provided is the cheapest international students' accommodations the school offers.
Usually, it's a tiny room with two desks, two closets, and two beds - without a private bathroom
(you use a shared one with the rest of the floor). At some schools you can move to a nicer dorm,
even to a single - as long as you pay the difference. However, in ALL cases, if you decide to move
off-campus, you will lose the housing money altogether. They will not help you with your rent.
HEALTHCARE/INSURANCE
To those who are anal/paranoid about healthcare or have health problems that would/could/might
require frequents visits to a doctor, it is recommended (by Qcash3) that you buy supplementary
insurance before you come to China as the insurance that comes with the scholarship will only pay
for the school's insurance - which covers only the cheapest hospital around, which is usually the
clinic on campus.
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EU APPLICATIONS INFORMATION (thank you times infinity plus one, marcusat)
- The application period is from January to March 30th every year.
- There are 100 CSC scholarships awarded each year.
- Applicants are to take the Physical Examination (by August 10) only after getting the CSC
scholarship and receiving their school's admission notice and the visa application in the mail.
- A guarantor is not required.
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Now to the juicy stuff:
DIRECT CONTACT INFORMATION and FINDING A GUARANTOR
I am willing to be a guarantor to anyone who needs one, but you must agree to be a guarantor for
someone else in the future. I also have the direct contact information for the person in charge of
the CSC scholarship at the Chinese Embassy in Washington, D.C. (and other local embassies that
definitely handle CSC applications) and the person who deals with all CSC scholarships for the EU,
Singapore, Philippines, and New Zealand. The Ultra Top Secret, Absolutely Brilliant, Effing Kick
Ass CSC Contact List is always being added to.
HOWEVER, none of this information will be made public for two main reasons:
1. I refuse to post up my name, phone number, and address in a public forum on the Internet. The
same goes for the CSC contacts. I feel that it's not only disrespectful to them but also
irresponsible of me to post that kind of information without permission. (I am in the process of
compiling a database of important/direct CSC contacts for other countries. If you have information
for your region, please PM me - this information will also be treated as sensitive.)
2. I am using this information as bait and incentive for people to post up their experiences to
add to our knowledge base in this thread. People have been finding ways to apply and get their
applications to the right people in many, many different ways - and each story makes it easier to
find out whats going on. Those who do not FIRST post up their experiences, insights, suggestions,
etc. will not be given any information. For first timers, start by telling us your story and
answering these questions: Where are you applying from? Are you currently in China? What did your
local state embassy say? Where and how did you get your papers notarized? Did you apply for your
school of choice beforehand? Where did you get your physical exam done? Anything about the process
you thought might be good for others to know about? Any hiccups you had to work through?
Also, you will request this information and it will be sent to you via private messaging (PM). New
members DO NOT have access to this feature until it is switched on by an admin - which I can
request for you. But know this, if the feature hasn't been turned on yet, that PROBABLY means that
you don't have enough posts to prove that you're not a spammer. In which case, you probably didn't
give us "your story/experiences" or interacted with the members of this thread enough for me or
others be able (or willing) to help you.
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I strongly encourage others who have received/applied for either a full or partial CSC scholarship
to share how they got theirs. The more information we have, the better chances we'll get at
learning how to systematically figure out how it all works.
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Loriquero -
Hi there.
I'm from Colombia; I Also got a CSC Scholarship, that was way simpler than my american/korean
forum partner ahead situation xD I was looking for scholarships in the website of the colombian
"DoE" aka icetex www.icetex.gov.co
The requeriments was so tedious to fill up, so many papers, letters, translations from spanish to
english... but in the end it worths
My schollarship was just "partial" It covers 1 year of mandarin study and 2 years of master degree
in Donghua University in Shanghai... The CSC every year offers 6 partial scholarships and 10
partial to Colombian students (this year was like that)... the people who got the complete
scholarship, have free accomodation and the monthly stipend; but they didn't tell nothing about
plane tickets.
I chose that University cause they were faster than any other university when I was sending
emails, besides that, the website was easy to navigate, and the pictures looked great :P
I'll arrive this week to Shanghai for further info PM me.
PS: sorry about my english
stheresa -
Hi there, also got a CSC scholarship. I have one question for you or anyone who won the
scholarship. Do the guys actually pick you up at the airport?
I really want to know that, if not to be prepared to get by myself to tsinghua daxue after my 11
pm arrival in beijing, pretty scary...
bye bye
steph
Lupita -
Hey!! I'm from Spain! I received this scholarship! And the process was exactly as you described
above... Haha... I know it's all a mess because my friends who got the scholarship last year
didn't know what to do... They just told me to be VERY patient and wait until I receive some news
about the Chinese Uni and this stuff...
By the veeeery end of July the Embassy of China in Spain gave me all the information about the BNU
(this is the Uni I wanted to attend, because I went there for a semester last year, from September
06 to January 07). I got my X visa and my flight (not included in the scholarship, as I'm European
xD)...
And now I'm ready to stay in China for a whole year, learn Chinese, travel and meet lots of people
xD!!!!!
I'll be arriving to Beijing on the 5th September with my friend Marta (she also has an account
here, aka Ursula).
^_^ ^_^
Loriquero -
Hi steph
I wrote a email to the international student office of my University in Shanghai, and they will
pick me up in the airport.
You should write them too :P
Regards.
simonlaing -
Hi Extrapages, nice post,
Thanks for giving us the down low. I tried with the Irish scholarship and was rejected. They only
have 2 a year I think. I didn't even know the US had these scholarships. How many did they give
out did you know?
Congrats on getting it. My European classmates had a great time of it , while I had to teach
english at night. I think my level would be different if I had had the scholarship.
Have fun,
SimoN
barb_punk -
hey guys!
i'm from the philippines and i got a full scholarship to study in bnu for a year. i was supposed
to apply for it last year but work and other stuff got in the way, so i had to wait until early
this year to apply. based on my experience, scholarship applications are rarely easy because it
takes a certain kind of dedication to get through all of the requirements (was it just me or was
the foreigner's physical exam a bit over the top?). although i had a relatively easy time compared
to extrapages.
first, i got the application materials from the china scholarship council (csc) website
(www.csc.edu.cn/en). it has all the requirements listed plus the soft copies of the forms to be
filled up. then i went to the chinese embassy and submitted all the requirements plus the
application form to the cultural attache (who was a super nice guy). after a week, the embassy
called me up to say that they have the official hard copy of the application form and that i need
to fill it up because that's what they're sending instead of the copy i downloaded off the site (i
just printed mine on plain a4 paper). the content is basically the same, only this official form
was printed on a nice green paper. they told me to follow up on the last week of may. this all
happened february 2007.
i followed up on my application during the last week of may but the people handling the
scholarship didn't have news. i called them again on june and the person who answered the phone
said that she doesn't know where my application is and that the people handling it flew back to
beijing and will return july. at that point, i was just hoping that they went to beijing on
official business (read: to fix my application and other peeps' too). when they haven't contacted
me yet mid-july, i assumed that my application wasn't considered and resigned myself to applying
again next year. finally, they called at the veeery end of july (looks like we had the same
experience, lupita) to tell me that i got the scholarship, to pick up my package from the embassy
and to fix my visa and the rest of my requirements asap. hahaha! so i've been running around
getting my stuff ready.
list of expenses incurred or to be incurred in the course of doing this application:
physical exam stuff (lab exams)
transportation costs (all that shuttling around...)
visa
plane ticket
taxes
insurance (although not sure whether to get one here or in china)
hope this info helps.
simon: the csc has an eu window for european students. you should definitely check that out.
they're giving out 100 full scholarships every year from 2007-2011.
loriquero: donghua uni looks interesting. tell us all about it when you get there.
cheers everyone!
Jamoldo -
If anyone wants to read something more negative, feel free to read about how I DIDN'T get the CSC
(some pitfalls to avoid, ie. I don't think my application was even read). Have to admit I did it
kind of half-heartedly... To those who did get it though congrats. I could have used a post like
that last year, but to those who don't have a clue (like I didn't) it's going to be one hell of a
helping hand.
Qcash3 -
Quote:
qcash. it would be awesome if you could write about how you got your scholarship under the "how i
got my csc scholarship" thread.
and this year, there are a bunch of people that got it, too... tell us how it all works! how do
they give you the stipend? will the school approach you about the tuition or is it something thats
never brought up as long as they know your a scholarship holder? is it, in fact, possible to take
the housing money and use that to live outside of the dorms if you choose to? what do you mean it
wasnt as organized as you would have liked? what was the worst? the best? tell us tell us!
Ok, my friend you got it. First thing, the way in which I got my scholarship was a little
different than the standard application process. One scholarship each year is awarded to my high
school Chinese teacher and she chooses one graduating senior in her Chinese class to award it to.
Although I did have to fill out the application, everything else was handled by my teacher. Sorry
to be of so little help in perhaps what is the most important part of the process. As for your
questions addressing the inner workings of the scholarship, that I can help with. Firstly, all of
my experiences are with Tsinghua University so I don't know if things will differ with other
schools. When you're awarded the scholarship, you will be mailed your visa application form and
some papers from the school you are going to stating when you should arrive and all that good
stuff. Take these papers and give them to the people who deal with housing arrangements on your
campus, from that point they will know that you are a scholarship student and apart from
requesting a small deposit (in my case 200元) they will trouble you no further about tuition and
housing fees. No, it is not possible to take the housing money and live off campus. The stipend is
given once a month, and I can't honestly say that there is any organized system for giving it. It
is given in the form of an ATM card where deposit money each month, but I can't say when they will
give you money each month. I received the card on October 15th, and they had deposited 2800元
instead of the normal 1100元. I supposed they were making up for the month of September's money
and the 600元 one-time "settling in stipend" that they give you. Every month until February I
received the money at a different time each month, so I was never really sure when it was going to
come. Generally they gave it to me around the 2nd Friday of each month if it was somewhat close to
the 15th (the 12th or 13th for example), but if it was like the 10th I would have to wait until
the next Friday. This isn't a foolproof system, because they changed it up some months, but it's
an approximation. The month of January they will give you a 2800元 stipend, and will not give you
one in February as you will be on vacation. When school started back in March, they gave the
stipend on March 1st and every month thereafter also on the 1st. Also, be sure to buy
supplementary insurance before you go, the scholarship will pay for you to have the school's
insurance, but the scholarship will only cover the cheapest hospital around. My biggest problem
with them is they tell you none of this before you go, you kinda have to experience it for
yourself and are unsure about things for awile.
xiaomoogle -
Does anyone know if you can apply for this if you're just going to be a language student?
I've looked at the website for Chinese Government Scholarship Program (EU) and where it tells you
details about applying it says:
4. A study or research plan written in Chinese or English (no less than 400 words).
well...I just want to learn Chinese. I'm not doing it as an extension of my degree....I may do an
MA at some point, but for now I will just be a language student, can I just leave that study plan
out?
Are all the people who got the scholarships on this thread undergradates or general scholars?
Was anyone from the UK?
I need some
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